Verbal Attack: The emails of the Suthibut family

Thursday, June 19, 2003
Dave applies for a Senior Managing Editor position
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:11:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Dave Suthibut" | This is spam | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: Senior Managing Editor job
To: "Laura Porter"


Hey Laura,

Actually, if you read my last email, I was asking a
couple of preliminary questions to see if the job is
right for me. I'd like to know a couple of things
before going through the laborious process of crafting
my application materials. So if you could go ahead and
provide this info to me ASAP, we'll take it from
there.

Thanks
Dave


--- Laura Porter wrote:
> Dave,
> Please send me your resume as a Word document so I
> can review your
> background.
>
> Thanks,
> Laura Porter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Suthibut"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:34 PM
> Subject: Senior Managing Editor job
>
>
> > Hey, saw the ad on craigslist and it peaked my
> > interest. I'm definitely the man for the job, I'm
> > experienced, eager, motivated, detail-oriented,
> blah
> > blah blah. Only thing is, I read through the ad
> and
> > didn't see anything about $$$. Also would need to
> know
> > how many vacation days, and if a background or
> drug
> > test is required.
> >
> > Sorry to ask all these questions but I want to
> know if
> > this job is right for me before I apply. If you
> could
> > please get back to me ASAP with that info, we'll
> go
> > from there.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave
> >



Posted at 15:40 by soul_yawn :: Archived :: TrackBack (7420)

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1. Ah, yes. That isn't a real job: she's just fishing for resumes in Word format that she can dump into a database. After about twenty or thirty of those, she can go back to making personal calls to her sorority sisters and claim at the end of the week that she did something constructive. (I don't want to be overly bitter, but I've had literally hundreds of these little parasites swear up and down that they couldn't tell me a thing about the position until I sent them a resume, and then never heard a thing from them again.)

Ah well. If we just start spaying and neutering MBAs, these scum would be removed from the gene pool within a generation.
Paul Riddell :: Wed, 2003/07/02, 10:58

2. Dude, did you intentionally spell "piqued" wrong?
M :: Thu, 2003/07/03, 11:44

3. Dude, did you intentionally fail English class?
N :: Wed, 2003/07/09, 00:53

4. What are you trashing MBA's for? I have an MBA and cant even get a job. Oh Tip any time an ad says entrepreneurial spirit: STAY THE F*CK AWAY
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Friday, June 13, 2003
Dave locks horns with a pyramid scheme head
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From: "Jonathan Rouffe" | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: "Dave Suthibut"
Subject: RE: Asset Protection Consultant
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:12:46 -0400


The only people that think it's BS are people who don't have the
potential
to be successful.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Suthibut [mailto:digitalpirate2001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:48 PM
To: Jonathan Rouffe
Subject: RE: Asset Protection Consultant


Hey Jonathan,

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Actually
just read through the pdf you sent, and I was
surprised, to say the least. I had no idea this was
one of those BS marketing scams! Anyway, you're a good
BS artist, keep up the good work man! ;)

Cheers
Dave


--- Jonathan Rouffe
wrote:
> I do not do a background check or drug testing at
> the moment. Did you read
> the PDF I sent to you? Are you aware that there are
> marketing costs on your
> end?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Suthibut
> [mailto:digitalpirate2001@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:34 PM
> To: Jonathan Rouffe
> Subject: RE: Asset Protection Consultant
>
>
> Hey Jonathan,
>
> Thanks for the info. Didn't see anything about a
> background or drug test -- can I then safely assume
> that neither would be required as a condition of my
> employment? If you could get back to me asap with
> that
> info, I'll go ahead and craft my application
> materials.
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
>
> --- Jonathan Rouffe
> wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > Thanks for your interest in the position. Due to
> > the overwhelming response,
> > I have created a 13 page PDF which you need to
> read
> > over. Pages 1-8 explain
> > the oppurtunity and pages 9-13 are a Q&A. It is
> > attached to this e-mail.
> >
> > As far as vacation days are concerned. You are
> your
> > own boss. You don't
> > need my permission to do anything. What you make
> is
> > completely up to you
> > and how hard you work.
> >
> > Print out the 13 pages and if you're still
> > interested get back to me quickly
> > because I have filled in one spot in the Philly
> area
> > and the second will go
> > by the end of tomorrow. So if you read it tonight
> > call me tomorrow at 888
> > 482-7200 and we can talk and see if this is
> > something for you.
> >
> > Jonathan Rouffe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Suthibut
> > [mailto:digitalpirate2001@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:49 PM
> > To: jrouffe@MandalayConsultingInc.com
> > Subject: Asset Protection Consultant
> >
> >
> > Hey, saw the ad on craigslist and it peaked my
> > interest. I'm definitely the man for the job, I'm
> > experienced, eager, motivated, detail-oriented,
> blah
> > blah blah. Only thing is, I read through the ad
> and
> > didn't see anything about $$$. Also would need to
> > know
> > how many vacation days, and if a background or
> drug
> > test is required.
> >
> > Sorry to ask all these questions but I want to
> know
> > if
> > this job is right for me before I apply. If you
> > could
> > please get back to me ASAP with that info, we'll
> go
> > from there.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave



Posted at 10:06 by soul_yawn :: Archived :: TrackBack (7282)

Comments: Add Comment

1. Congrats on spotting the multi-level-marketing scam. I used to get quite a few calls about these about two years ago, until the little darlings couldn't afford to access Monster.com's database.

Oh, and you have to admire those huge PDFs as well. Every once in a while, you'll get one where the guy manufacturing it understands the difference between there/their/they're and why you don't pluralize with an apostrophe-S, but these come from the one guy who wanted to get something from eight years of keggers besides a coke habit and syphilis. Hang onto them: they're rare collector's items.
Paul Riddell :: Wed, 2003/07/02, 11:02

2. Priceless!!! The multi-level marketing was great. BTW, did you contact Craigslist about that?? MLM is verboten.
Thanks for the laughs!!! :]
Kristen :: Sat, 2003/07/05, 23:58



Friday, June 06, 2003
Dave applies for a Network Manager job
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Subject: RE: I'm your Network Manager
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:55:36 -0700
From: "Greer, Stephanie C." | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: "Dave Suthibut"


Dave-

Your e-mail was quite clear, however we don't discuss salary and
benefits prior to establishing interest in a candidate. If you would like to
be considered for the position, please send me your resume.

Thanks,
Stephanie Greer
Stoel Rives LLP

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Suthibut [mailto:digitalpirate2001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:45 PM
To: Greer, Stephanie C.
Subject: RE: I'm your Network Manager


Hey Steph,

I appreciate you getting back to me so quickly on
this. Although, I think you may have missed the point
of my email: I was asking for some preliminary info
such as salary and vacation days (and other perks),
which I'd like to be aware of before I craft my
application materials. I apologize if I didn't make
that clear in my mail. If you could please get me that
info ASAP, we'll go from there.

Thanks
Dave


--- "Greer, Stephanie C." wrote:
> Dave-
>
> If you would like to be considered for the position,
> please submit your resume and cover letter.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie Greer
> Stoel Rives LLP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Suthibut
> [mailto:digitalpirate2001@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:22 PM
> To: job-12081160@craigslist.org
> Subject: I'm your Network Manager
>
>
> Hey, saw the ad on craigslist and it piqued my
> interest! Would be interested in learning more about
> the job -- i.e. how much $$$, how many vacation
> days,
> and other perks. If you could get back to me ASAP
> with
> that info, we'll take it from there.
>
> Cheers - Dave
>
> __________________________________



Posted at 15:20 by soul_yawn :: Archived :: TrackBack (7319)

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Dave applies for a VP of Information Technology position
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From: "Chappell, David" | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: "Dave Suthibut"
Subject: Re: VP Information Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:36:57 -0700


If you would like to become a possible candidate for the position,
please
forward me a resume. If no,
good luck with your search.

Regards,

David Chappell
Ph (415)648-8600 x222
Fx (415)648-6295
david@networkresearch.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Suthibut"
To: "Chappell, David"
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: VP Information Technology


> David... is there any way you could find out for me?
> In an unobtrusive fashion? Understand if you can't,
> but I could really use a little help with this!
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
>
> --- "Chappell, David"
> wrote:
> > I cannot answer those questions. I do not know their
> > HR policies.
> >
> > David Chappell
> > Ph (415)648-8600 x222
> > Fx (415)648-6295
> > david@networkresearch.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Suthibut"
> > To: "Chappell, David"
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: VP Information Technology
> >
> >
> > > Hi David,
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot for getting back to me so quickly. I
> > > actually have one more admittedly unusual question
> > > before I go ahead and send my materials over: Does
> > the
> > > company run any sort of background check or
> > require
> > > employees to submit to a drug test as a condition
> > of
> > > employment? Again, I realize this is sort of a
> > strange
> > > question, but I assure you I'm not a fugitive or
> > any
> > > other type of miscreant :)
> > >
> > > If you could get back to me ASAP with that info, I
> > can
> > > send over my materials by the end of the day.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Chappell, David"
> > > wrote:
> > > > The first step would be for you to send me your
> > > > resume. Salary and benefits
> > > > are on par for this
> > > > type of position.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > David Chappell
> > > > Ph (415)648-8600 x222
> > > > Fx (415)648-6295
> > > > david@networkresearch.net
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dave Suthibut"
> >
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:27 PM
> > > > Subject: VP Information Technology
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey, saw the ad and I have to say it piqued my
> > > > > interest! I've been in the field 15 years,
> > > > currently
> > > > > with a top firm (that I can't name in email
> > for
> > > > > obvious reasons). However, your outfit sounds
> > like
> > > > a
> > > > > fit - although I will need to know about
> > salary,
> > > > > vacation days, etc. before we move forward. If
> > you
> > > > > could get back to me asap with the info, we'll
> > > > take it
> > > > > from there!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > __________________________________


Posted at 15:19 by soul_yawn :: Archived :: TrackBack (7235)

Comments: Add Comment

1. Is this dude's name really Dave Chappell? Is he trying to be funny? Is it just a stage name?
Harley :: Tue, 2003/07/08, 05:59

2. I really enjoyed all the comments here. The sad part is that so many companies appoint idiots to hire new talent, and then lose their competitiveness because of the wrong people in their ranks! My theory is that this is primarily what's wrong with corporate America - especially today.
Meanwhile the upper echelons are stealing the stockholders - and employees blind! The answer really is in not getting another j.o.b., even if the dumb HR people could appropriately assess your qualifications...

I, too, have sent out thousands of emails and resumes and work product samples, and rarely even receive the courtesy of an acknowledgement. Looking around me in the previous jobs I was lucky enough to get, and certainly performed beyond expectation - for someone else to get credit - I now know that the best people for the job didn't get hired,

Wish there were legitimate jobs out there other than MLM and stuffing envelopes and taking surveys, and all that ilk, for which you have to pay a "registration fee."
It's the same old persistent scam...

Best of luck in survival...
James Wilson :: Sat, 2003/08/02, 10:59

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I for one have 25+ years of experience in the computing industry.

I started back when computers still used big rolls of paper for displaying their information. (Ahhhh... yes... teletypes with 110bps dialup connections.... yes those were the days... BUT I digress...)

I find it to be pathetic that potential employers treat their applicants as little more than cattle getting ready for the slaughter.

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Uhm... yeah..... "And I'll need you to come in on Sunday too...."


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Having 25 years of experience in the industry used to actually mean something to a potential employer. Now they just look at the bottom dollar amount and see they can hire a couple of unskilled high school or college students who are willing to work for minimum wage, and aren't going to ask too many questions of their "wage slave" masters. :(


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